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Hello Bryan, I've been puzzling over these "announcements" since arriving in Tucson almost twenty years ago.... I had a little free time this week and spent it becoming reacquainted with the whole thing. I wish I hadn't chucked my old wildcat copies and notes when I moved briefly to New York. Anyway, I got you scans of the two messages that I noticed aren't up on your site. The ones from April 1983. -Mike C-------
Thanks mike!! -- bhance
clue: Another odd one - again, is this really from 1983? It's the same as the one from March 15 1985, but missing the statements underneath.bhance - I'm checking with our archives. I'll get back on this.
These words are from Hannibal, the general of North Africa. Inveniemus viam aut faciemus. We will find a way -- or we will make one! And just one more note, which might mean nothing, but they are on an archway at the University of Pennsylvania.
The translation of the Latin is technically wrong. While the jist is correct, the literal meaning is wrong. Viam inveniemus aut faciemus---it means We will find a road or make a road.
Brian - 05.20.2005
smiley guy has seven hairs
The quote on the gateway at Univ. of Pennsylvania http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~jtreat/via.html is "inveniumus viam aut faciemus" - here we have "viam inveniemus aut faciemus" - the former appears to be the original quote, a google of the latter turns up only this site, so it appears that we may have a misquote here. The quote is the same in the announcements from Nov 22 1983 and March 15 1985, I have not checked for any other instances. As I just noted on the 19 April 1983 page, the Hannibal quote should be "Inveniemus viam aut faciemus" not "Viam inveniemus.." - here we might also note that all the words in the quote have the initial letter capitalised as if it were a title, but it is not - this leads me to wonder if it has been written this way because it is actually being used as an acronym or somesuch. The only acronyms I could find for VIAF are not likely to be relevent, maybe someone else has thoughts on this.
7 (and the shadow number, 2) are the numbers for the moon. 7 is generally thought to be the moon at night in its natural element and 2 is the moon in the daytime sky.
Marcel B. 09.01.2005
Interesting theory on the acrostic. From what I remember of studying Latin, the word order is largely irrelevant.
Re. clue by Marcel B. - thanks for the info on the word order being generally irrelevant but it still may be relevent in this context, very much so. Imagine if, for instance, that phrase were the url to a website - one version would take you straight there but the other would get you somewhere else and possibly nowhere - they would have done this for a reason. :) One other thought on this - maybe they put it this way because they just wanted to dissociate their use of the phrase from any connection with the Univ. of Pennsylvania.
Jay C. 09.21.2005
clue: "Viam invenemus aut faciemus" On the way, we shall find or we shall construct/make/do". I'm no pro at Latin, but downloaded a Latin translator.
D. Thomasson 04.09.2006
Hannibal's quote is not in the correct word order as Juls 06.25.2005 post confirms. The correct order is "INVENIEMUS(1) VIAM(2) AUT(3) FACIEMUS(4)." 1234 octal = 668 decimal. See http://www.borderschess.org/668.htm The ADW announcement changes the word order as: "VIAM(2) INVENIEMUS(1) AUT(3) FACIEMUS(4)." 2134 decimal = 856 hexadecimal. 8*5*6 = 240 (120+120) or (12*20) 856 decimal = 1530 octal 1530 is the year of the Confessio Augustana (Augsburg Confession). Using gematria, the total number value of each letter in Hannibal's quote adds up to 295. 2+9+5 = 16 and 1+6 = 7. 16 octal = 14 decimal and 24 pental. 2*9*5 = 90. 90 hexadecimal = 144 decimal (12*12). 12 hexadecimal = 33 pental. The word "FACIEMUS:" F(6) + A(1) + C(3) + I(9) + E(5) + M(13) + U(21) + S(19) = 77. Most of these numbers are used throughout the Biblical Scriptures, and all of them are used in the ADW announcements. By the way, 240 decimal = 360 octal.
D. Thomasson 04.22.2006
The real Latin phrase: "INVENIEMUS VIAM AUT FACIEMUS" means "We will find a way, or we will make one."
The creator of this announcement, along with 84-Sept13 and 85-Mar15, may have been an alumnus of the Lutheran based St. Andrew's Episcopal School educational system that was founded in 1947.
The Latin quote is the School's motto, and can be seen on their school crest along with the date: 1947. The crest is divided into four sections by a cross (Greek Letter "chi") that is the shape of the cross on which Saint Andrew was martyred.
The year 1947 is a key number in the ADW announcements.
Read more at: http://gosaints.org/school/
I was just wondering what the origin of that quote is. Was it a Latin writer like Polybius or Livy because I doubt Hannibal acutally spoke it in Latin.
I hope this doesn't rain on the parade, but it may be relevant. Unlike English, Latin doesn't depend on word order for clarity. You can write the same words in almost any order and have the same meaning.
Comments: This is a slogan that can be seen at the U of Penn, assisted by Ben Franklin in the foundation. First clue freemasons. Numerous signs and symbols that are used by the fraternity are included in many clues. The orphanage, now this is a little far fetched, or is it. Look at the Oxford Orphanage and its relations to freemasonry. Lastly and in my mind the largest clue, the first clue, possibly the most intriguing clue. "Mao chairman ten-thousand years of age", in many eastern nations this is used as an expression of respect, joy and celebration. Fittingly this clue happens to fall numerous times on May 1st , which is arguably the most important date to Freemasonry. "1st May 1776 ~ when the final element in the equation of Freemasonry was introduced. It already possessed by this time strains of fertility cults, Islamic mysticism, alchemy, Templary and Rosicrucianism. These were symbolic stones in the arch that formed a doorway to witchcraft...The keystone on the arch wa s provided by an obscure Jesuit-trained professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt in Bavaria, Adam Weishaupt. The important date on the witchcraft calendar of May 1st was selected for the foundation of the Ancient and Illuminated Seers of Bavaria. It was founded on a mixture of Masonic secrets, Islamic mysticism and Jesuit mental discipline". This would seem to be a matter of celebration of the fraternity. It is my belief that the many clues that have been introduced to its viewers, have been introduced to intrigue many and mystify us all. There seems to be no answers at the preverbal end of the tunnel, just more questions. When the question that should be asked is who and why? Who????Freemasonry.....W hy????? Well that has been a question for outsiders looking in for centuries.... In my mind it's a celebration in the grandest of ways for an institution who thrives on intellectuals and secrets. We know something you don't know and possibly will never know.
I don't know if anyone has already found this or this is relevant, but I noticed the talk of Penn State so i went to the website and found that the University was founded in 1740. 1+7+4+0= 12. ? Also, the page stated that George Whiteman and a few others started the trust fund to start the school. He Came to America in 1738 as a Parish priest in Savannah, GA. Whiteman led a big role in the Great Awakening, leading revival meetings in which thousands attended. like i said, this may or may not be relevant, and here is the website in which i found my info if you want to follow the small lead. http://www.upenn.edu/about/heritage.php
I have been studying this for about 5 minutes and haven't even looked at all the messages yet. I'll be brief. D. Thomasson may be on to something. Breaking down the words into numeric values. My point is what if the word order is the key and changes the numerical values in such a way as to be important. Maybe you were meant to notice the word order out of place.
Probably already mentioned, but from what I can gather, the phrase was altered in this page. The original attributed to Hannibal is "Aut inveniam viam aut faciam." meaning "I shall either find a way, or make one." Apparently, it was said in response to his generals advising him not to cross the Alps by elephant. There are three main differences here: First, the initial word ("aut", meaning "either") is left out. There have been others who have left out that word, however, most notably English statesman Robert Sidney. Second, the conjugation is changed from first-person singular to first-person plural. Hence, the phrase is better translated as "We shall find a way, or make one." Third, the word order is changed. Latin doesn't particularly care about word order as long as the conjugations are correct, but that means it was probably done deliberately by whoever wrote this page.
If we assume that these early messages are notifications for meetings I would like to suggest this: "The sentence appears, in Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II, Scene 1, line 276) third person: "inveniet viam, aut faciet." So we have the numbers 2,1 and 276. What if this means 2 pm 27/6.Leonie R 11/25/2020
'viam inveniemus aut faciemus' is incorrect (the 'viam' should come after 'inveniemus') but the literal translation of the text shown is "or else, we will do, we will find the way of"